Allen Kopelman on Transparent Pricing, Sales & Payment Processing
Presented by Allen Kopelman, CEO — Nationwide Payment Systems-Host of B2B Vault: The Biz2Biz Podcast
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What does working in restaurant kitchens have to do with building a payment processing company?
More than you might think.
In a recent appearance on the Founders Journey Podcast, Nationwide Payment Systems CEO and co-founder Allen Kopelman joined host Jimmy Douloumbakas to discuss entrepreneurship, sales, transparent pricing, work ethic, restaurant ownership, payment processing, and some of the lessons learned from more than 25 years in the payments industry.
The conversation traces a path that started long before Nationwide Payment Systems was founded in 2001.
It is also a reminder that many of the most valuable business lessons do not come from textbooks. They come from working, selling, making mistakes, dealing with customers, managing costs and figuring out how to solve problems when things do not go according to plan.
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A Business Education That Started Early
Allen's introduction to business began with his family
Growing up around clothing stores, factory operations, and traditional retail meant seeing firsthand how businesses actually operate: inventory comes in, customers need to be served, money needs to be collected, and expenses need to be controlled
Two lessons in particular stuck:
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From his mother: The importance of negotiation
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From his father: Treat the business you work for as if it belongs to your family
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That mindset followed Allen through very different careers
What Restaurant Kitchens Teach You About Business
Before entering payment processing, Allen spent years in the restaurant and hospitality industry
Professional kitchens are not forgiving environments
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Food costs matter
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Labor costs matter
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Purchasing matters
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Customer experience matters
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Timing matters
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When something goes wrong during a busy service, there is rarely time to schedule a meeting about it
Allen eventually became an executive chef and later owned a restaurant in Boca Raton, Florida
That perspective became important later
Moving From Hospitality Into Payment Processing
Allen entered the merchant services industry in 1998 and co-founded Nationwide Payment Systems in 2001
One of the opportunities he saw was also one of the industry's longstanding problems: many business owners had difficulty understanding exactly what they were paying for payment processing
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Statements could be confusing
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Pricing structures could be difficult to compare
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Fees could appear without merchants completely understanding where they came from
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Contracts and processing rules could be equally difficult for someone outside the payments industry to understand
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That helped shape an important principle behind Nationwide Payment Systems: Business owners should understand how they are being charged.
Transparent pricing does not necessarily mean every merchant should have the same pricing model
Transparency means explaining those choices before the merchant signs up
Sales Is a Skill Every Entrepreneur Needs
Another major topic in the Founders Journey conversation was sales
Founders sometimes want to believe a great product or service will sell itself
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Someone has to explain the value
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Someone has to start the conversation
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Someone has to ask questions
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And eventually, someone has to ask for the business
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Allen credits Dale Carnegie training with helping him become more comfortable communicating and selling
Sales is not just about closing a deal
In payments, that distinction can be significant
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A manufacturer sending hundreds of invoices every month has different problems than a restaurant processing thousands of small transactions
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A SaaS platform considering embedded payments has different requirements than a retailer replacing a point-of-sale system
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A high-volume B2B company may be focused on Level 2 and Level 3 interchange optimization, ACH, and ERP integration
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The conversation should begin with the business problem — not the terminal
Transparent Pricing Requires Understanding the Business
Payment processing has changed dramatically since Nationwide Payment Systems began in 2001
But one principle has remained surprisingly consistent: You need to understand the business before you can recommend the right payment solution.
Key factors include:
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Transaction volume
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Average ticket
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How customers pay
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Card-present versus card-not-present volume
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Consumer versus commercial cards
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Industry and risk profile
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Software requirements
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How quickly the company needs to get paid
This is one reason Nationwide Payment Systems emphasizes customized payment processing rather than trying to force every merchant into the same pricing and technology package
The Real Cost of Getting Paid
Processing fees also need to be considered in the context of the entire business
Saving a few basis points is useful
Value comes from multiple areas:
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Reducing manual accounts-receivable work
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Automating recurring invoices
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Giving a customer the ability to pay immediately from a text message or email
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Reducing chargebacks
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Automatically syncing payment information with accounting software
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Avoiding a payment-processing shutdown
The conversation around merchant services is increasingly moving beyond "What rate are you charging me?"
That is a much larger discussion
Why Reputation Matters in Payments
Payment processing is one of those industries where everything looks easy when everything is working
A merchant may encounter several challenges:
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Facing a sudden funding delay
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A processor requesting additional documentation
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A chargeback problem developing
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Selling products or services an existing acquiring bank does not support
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A sudden increase in transaction volume
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Fraud appearing
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A gateway integration stopping work
Those are the moments when relationships matter
Merchants need technology; they also need people who understand what to do when the technology, banking relationship, or payment strategy needs attention
Hard Work Still Matters
There is no shortage of advice promising entrepreneurs an easier path: automate everything, outsource everything, build passive income, work four hours a week.
Technology can certainly make a business more efficient
But the Founders Journey conversation returns repeatedly to something less fashionable: Hard work still matters.
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Showing up matters
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Learning your industry matters
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Being prepared matters
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Returning calls matters
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Following through matters
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Developing real expertise matters
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Doing those things consistently for years creates something that is very difficult to manufacture overnight: reputation.
Advice for the Next Generation of Entrepreneurs
For younger entrepreneurs and people considering starting a business, Allen's advice from the conversation is practical:
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Keep overhead under control
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Learn how to sell
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Learn how to communicate
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Develop skills that solve real problems
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Pay attention to the numbers
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Stay organized
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Ask questions
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Understand that building a successful company usually takes longer than social media makes it appear
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There will be setbacks, customers who say no, partnerships that do not work, and ideas that look much better on paper than in the real world
More Than 25 Years Later, the Mission Is Still Pretty Simple
Payment technology has changed enormously since Allen first entered merchant services in 1998
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Businesses want to get paid
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They want to understand what they are paying
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They want technology that works
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When there is a problem, they want to reach someone who can help
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That philosophy continues to guide Nationwide Payment Systems today as the company works with businesses on payment processing, ACH, Smart Invoicing, POS systems, e-commerce, B2B payments, high-risk merchant accounts, payment consulting, and integrated payment technology
The tools have become more sophisticated
Listen to the Full Founders Journey Conversation
Want to hear the entire story? Listen to Allen Kopelman on Transparent Pricing, Sales and Building Through Hard Work on the Founders Journey Podcast
The conversation covers Allen's early experiences in family businesses, his career as a chef and restaurant owner, his transition into merchant services, lessons from building Nationwide Payment Systems, sales, entrepreneurship, pricing transparency, and advice for the next generation of business owners
About Allen Kopelman
Allen Kopelman is CEO and co-founder of Nationwide Payment Systems, a payment technology and merchant services company founded in 2001
Allen is also the host of B2B Vault: The Biz to Biz Podcast, where he interviews entrepreneurs, executives, and industry experts about business, fintech, payments, technology, sales, marketing, and entrepreneurship
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Listen to the Founders Journey Podcast
About Nationwide Payment Systems
Nationwide Payment Systems helps businesses accept and manage payments through customized merchant accounts, ACH, e-commerce, point-of-sale systems, Smart Invoicing, payment gateways, B2B payment optimization, and payment consulting
Rather than forcing every company into the same payment model, NPS works with businesses to evaluate their transaction volume, industry, technology, risk profile, and payment workflow to develop a solution designed around how the business actually operates
Want to review how your business is getting paid? Talk with Nationwide Payment Systems about your current payment processing, invoicing, or payment technology setup











