Allen Kopelman on Transparent Pricing, Sales & Payment Processing

Allen Kopelman shares lessons from restaurant ownership, sales, transparent payment pricing, and 25+ years building Nationwide Payment Systems.

 

Presented by Allen Kopelman, CEO — Nationwide Payment Systems-Host of B2B Vault: The Biz2Biz Podcast 

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What does working in restaurant kitchens have to do with building a payment processing company? 

More than you might think. 

In a recent appearance on the Founders Journey Podcast, Nationwide Payment Systems CEO and co-founder Allen Kopelman joined host Jimmy Douloumbakas to discuss entrepreneurship, sales, transparent pricing, work ethic, restaurant ownership, payment processing, and some of the lessons learned from more than 25 years in the payments industry. 

The conversation traces a path that started long before Nationwide Payment Systems was founded in 2001. 

It is also a reminder that many of the most valuable business lessons do not come from textbooks. They come from working, selling, making mistakes, dealing with customers, managing costs and figuring out how to solve problems when things do not go according to plan. 

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A Business Education That Started Early

Allen's introduction to business began with his family.

Growing up around clothing stores, factory operations, and traditional retail meant seeing firsthand how businesses actually operate: inventory comes in, customers need to be served, money needs to be collected, and expenses need to be controlled.

Two lessons in particular stuck:

  • From his mother: The importance of negotiation.

  • From his father: Treat the business you work for as if it belongs to your family.

That mindset followed Allen through very different careers. Whether someone is an employee, salesperson, manager, or entrepreneur, taking ownership of the result changes how they approach their work.

What Restaurant Kitchens Teach You About Business

Before entering payment processing, Allen spent years in the restaurant and hospitality industry.

Professional kitchens are not forgiving environments:

  • Food costs matter.

  • Labor costs matter.

  • Purchasing matters.

  • Customer experience matters.

  • Timing matters.

When something goes wrong during a busy service, there is rarely time to schedule a meeting about it. Someone needs to solve the problem.

Allen eventually became an executive chef and later owned a restaurant in Boca Raton, Florida. That experience provided another kind of business education: running a restaurant means understanding margins, inventory, staffing, pricing, customer service, and cash flow simultaneously. It also means understanding payment processing from the merchant's side of the counter.

That perspective became important later.

Moving From Hospitality Into Payment Processing

Allen entered the merchant services industry in 1998 and co-founded Nationwide Payment Systems in 2001.

One of the opportunities he saw was also one of the industry's longstanding problems: many business owners had difficulty understanding exactly what they were paying for payment processing.

  • Statements could be confusing.

  • Pricing structures could be difficult to compare.

  • Fees could appear without merchants completely understanding where they came from.

  • Contracts and processing rules could be equally difficult for someone outside the payments industry to understand.

That helped shape an important principle behind Nationwide Payment Systems: Business owners should understand how they are being charged.

Transparent pricing does not necessarily mean every merchant should have the same pricing model. Quite the opposite. Different businesses may benefit from interchange-plus pricing, ACH, dual pricing, surcharging, flat-rate pricing, or another structure depending on the type of business, transaction mix, average ticket, and how customers pay.

Transparency means explaining those choices before the merchant signs up. It means helping the business owner understand the advantages, limitations, and costs associated with each option. And it means recognizing that the cheapest-looking price is not always the lowest total cost.

Sales Is a Skill Every Entrepreneur Needs

Another major topic in the Founders Journey conversation was sales.

Founders sometimes want to believe a great product or service will sell itself. Usually, it doesn't.

  • Someone has to explain the value.

  • Someone has to start the conversation.

  • Someone has to ask questions.

  • And eventually, someone has to ask for the business.

Allen credits Dale Carnegie training with helping him become more comfortable communicating and selling. Those skills became increasingly important as Nationwide Payment Systems grew.

Sales is not just about closing a deal. Good salespeople learn how to listen. They figure out what problem a customer is actually trying to solve instead of immediately pitching a product.

In payments, that distinction can be significant:

  • A manufacturer sending hundreds of invoices every month has different problems than a restaurant processing thousands of small transactions.

  • A SaaS platform considering embedded payments has different requirements than a retailer replacing a point-of-sale system.

  • A high-volume B2B company may be focused on Level 2 and Level 3 interchange optimization, ACH, and ERP integration.

The conversation should begin with the business problem — not the terminal.

Transparent Pricing Requires Understanding the Business

Payment processing has changed dramatically since Nationwide Payment Systems began in 2001. Businesses now accept payments through websites, mobile devices, payment links, digital wallets, recurring billing, smart invoices, ACH, APIs, and integrated software platforms.

But one principle has remained surprisingly consistent: You need to understand the business before you can recommend the right payment solution.

Key factors include:

  • Transaction volume

  • Average ticket

  • How customers pay

  • Card-present versus card-not-present volume

  • Consumer versus commercial cards

  • Industry and risk profile

  • Software requirements

  • How quickly the company needs to get paid

This is one reason Nationwide Payment Systems emphasizes customized payment processing rather than trying to force every merchant into the same pricing and technology package.

The Real Cost of Getting Paid

Processing fees also need to be considered in the context of the entire business.

Saving a few basis points is useful. Getting paid 30, 60, or 90 days faster may be far more valuable.

Value comes from multiple areas:

  • Reducing manual accounts-receivable work

  • Automating recurring invoices

  • Giving a customer the ability to pay immediately from a text message or email

  • Reducing chargebacks

  • Automatically syncing payment information with accounting software

  • Avoiding a payment-processing shutdown

The conversation around merchant services is increasingly moving beyond "What rate are you charging me?" The better question is: "What is the most efficient way for my business to get paid?"

That is a much larger discussion.

Why Reputation Matters in Payments

Payment processing is one of those industries where everything looks easy when everything is working. The real test comes when it isn't.

A merchant may encounter several challenges:

  • Facing a sudden funding delay

  • A processor requesting additional documentation

  • A chargeback problem developing

  • Selling products or services an existing acquiring bank does not support

  • A sudden increase in transaction volume

  • Fraud appearing

  • A gateway integration stopping work

Those are the moments when relationships matter. After more than two decades building Nationwide Payment Systems, one of Allen's recurring lessons is that partnerships and reputation matter enormously.

Merchants need technology; they also need people who understand what to do when the technology, banking relationship, or payment strategy needs attention.

Hard Work Still Matters

There is no shortage of advice promising entrepreneurs an easier path: automate everything, outsource everything, build passive income, work four hours a week.

Technology can certainly make a business more efficient. AI will automate more tasks, and software will continue eliminating repetitive work.

But the Founders Journey conversation returns repeatedly to something less fashionable: Hard work still matters.

  • Showing up matters.

  • Learning your industry matters.

  • Being prepared matters.

  • Returning calls matters.

  • Following through matters.

  • Developing real expertise matters.

Doing those things consistently for years creates something that is very difficult to manufacture overnight: reputation.

Advice for the Next Generation of Entrepreneurs

For younger entrepreneurs and people considering starting a business, Allen's advice from the conversation is practical:

  1. Keep overhead under control.

  2. Learn how to sell.

  3. Learn how to communicate.

  4. Develop skills that solve real problems.

  5. Pay attention to the numbers.

  6. Stay organized.

  7. Ask questions.

  8. Understand that building a successful company usually takes longer than social media makes it appear.

There will be setbacks, customers who say no, partnerships that do not work, and ideas that look much better on paper than in the real world. The ability to adapt is part of entrepreneurship.

More Than 25 Years Later, the Mission Is Still Pretty Simple

Payment technology has changed enormously since Allen first entered merchant services in 1998. The fundamentals have not.

  • Businesses want to get paid.

  • They want to understand what they are paying.

  • They want technology that works.

  • When there is a problem, they want to reach someone who can help.

That philosophy continues to guide Nationwide Payment Systems today as the company works with businesses on payment processing, ACH, Smart Invoicing, POS systems, e-commerce, B2B payments, high-risk merchant accounts, payment consulting, and integrated payment technology.

The tools have become more sophisticated. The mission remains remarkably straightforward: Help businesses find a better way to get paid.

Listen to the Full Founders Journey Conversation

Want to hear the entire story? Listen to Allen Kopelman on Transparent Pricing, Sales and Building Through Hard Work on the Founders Journey Podcast.

The conversation covers Allen's early experiences in family businesses, his career as a chef and restaurant owner, his transition into merchant services, lessons from building Nationwide Payment Systems, sales, entrepreneurship, pricing transparency, and advice for the next generation of business owners.

About Allen Kopelman

Allen Kopelman is CEO and co-founder of Nationwide Payment Systems, a payment technology and merchant services company founded in 2001. He has worked in the payment industry since 1998 and works with business owners, financial institutions, processors, technology companies, software providers, and other payment-industry partners.

Allen is also the host of B2B Vault: The Biz to Biz Podcast, where he interviews entrepreneurs, executives, and industry experts about business, fintech, payments, technology, sales, marketing, and entrepreneurship.

About Nationwide Payment Systems

Nationwide Payment Systems helps businesses accept and manage payments through customized merchant accounts, ACH, e-commerce, point-of-sale systems, Smart Invoicing, payment gateways, B2B payment optimization, and payment consulting.

Rather than forcing every company into the same payment model, NPS works with businesses to evaluate their transaction volume, industry, technology, risk profile, and payment workflow to develop a solution designed around how the business actually operates.

Want to review how your business is getting paid? Talk with Nationwide Payment Systems about your current payment processing, invoicing, or payment technology setup.

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1. Who is Allen Kopelman? +
Allen Kopelman is the CEO and co-founder of Nationwide Payment Systems. He has worked in the payment processing industry since 1998 and co-founded Nationwide Payment Systems in 2001. His background also includes working as an executive chef and restaurant owner before entering the payments industry.
2. What did Allen Kopelman discuss on the Founders Journey Podcast? +
Allen discussed entrepreneurship, sales, transparent payment processing pricing, work ethic, restaurant ownership, leadership and the lessons he has learned from more than 25 years in the payments industry.
3. What is Nationwide Payment Systems? +
Nationwide Payment Systems is a payment technology and merchant services company that helps businesses accept credit cards, ACH payments and other electronic payments. The company also provides Smart Invoicing, point-of-sale systems, e-commerce payment solutions, B2B payment optimization and payment consulting.
4. When was Nationwide Payment Systems founded? +
Nationwide Payment Systems was founded in 2001. Allen Kopelman entered the merchant services industry several years earlier, in 1998.
5. Why is transparent payment processing pricing important? +
Transparent pricing helps business owners understand what they are paying, how fees are calculated and which payment model makes sense for their business. Payment processing costs can vary based on transaction volume, industry, average ticket, card type, payment method and other factors.
6. What payment processing pricing models are available to businesses? +
Depending on the business, payment processing options may include interchange-plus pricing, traditional merchant processing, dual pricing, surcharging, ACH payments and other customized pricing models. The best structure depends on how the business accepts payments and the types of transactions it processes.
7. Why does Nationwide Payment Systems evaluate a business before recommending a payment solution? +
Different businesses have very different payment needs. A restaurant, manufacturer, SaaS company, retailer and B2B distributor may all require different technology, pricing and risk-management strategies. Evaluating the business helps determine the most appropriate payment solution rather than using a one-size-fits-all approach.
8. How can better payment technology improve cash flow? +
Businesses can improve cash flow by making it easier for customers to pay, automating invoices, offering card and ACH payment options, sending payment links by email or text, setting up recurring payments and reducing the amount of time invoices remain unpaid.
9. What is B2B Vault: The Biz to Biz Podcast? +
B2B Vault is a business podcast hosted by Allen Kopelman. The show features conversations with entrepreneurs, executives and industry experts covering payments, fintech, sales, marketing, technology and entrepreneurship.
10. How can businesses contact Nationwide Payment Systems? +
Businesses can contact Nationwide Payment Systems through NationwidePaymentSystems.com to discuss payment processing, Smart Invoicing, ACH, B2B payments, POS systems, e-commerce, integrated payments or payment consulting.